NASA's chief says all its UAP data is out. 40 released records carry a NASA tag.
NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman says the agency has disclosed all of its UAP materials. Ross Coulthart names Apollo, Gemini and Skylab records he says are still held back. We checked both against the six tranches posted since May.
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The claim and the counter
In an interview with NewsNation's Nancy Loo, aired on Reality Check on Oct 9 [1], NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman said the agency has fulfilled its obligations under PURSUE [2].
Jared Isaacman, NASA: "We have disclosed all of our materials as part of President Trump's PURSUE effort." [2]
Ross Coulthart, on the same program, named Apollo, Gemini and Skylab records he says are still unreleased, and said the Apollo 17 "blue dots" film is still under Pentagon and NASA review [1].
Ross Coulthart: "NASA may have released all of the historical records that it has so far identified and selected for PURSUE. But that is vastly materially different from saying that all NASA records relevant to UAP have been found and disclosed." [2]
What the files show
We checked both claims against the six tranches posted since May. The bars below are War.gov's own agency tags, counted live from our copy of the release [3].
- 40 records carry a NASA agency tag [3].
- 1 Skylab record in all six tranches: a 1973 technical crew debriefing [5].
- 0 records mention the Apollo 17 "blue dots" [4].
Pattern we can state
NASA is the third-largest contributor to the release, behind the Department of War and the FBI [3]. Coulthart's three named programs are covered by 19 Apollo records, 9 Gemini records and a single Skylab debriefing; the film he says is under review appears in none [4]. That is a count of what was posted, not a finding about what NASA holds.
The record already contains a complaint like Coulthart's. A 1998 bundle of constituent correspondence, released in REL-03, quotes NASA X-15 pilot Joseph Walker on the UFOs he said he filmed in flight in 1962, then adds: "To date none of those films has been released to the public for viewing." The next entry in the same document quotes Apollo 17 commander Eugene Cernan, from a 1973 Los Angeles Times article: "I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization." [6]
Two more lines from the release itself. War.gov flags 67 of the 75 files it now lists for REL-06 as redacted [3]. And in the same tranche, a 1952 presentation by Capt. Edward J. Ruppelt on the Air Force's UFO investigation, released as audio with a transcript, puts the unexplained share at "about 20% of the 800 or 900 reports that we now have" [7].
On Coulthart's last question
Coulthart asks whether AI is the key to understanding UAP. Here, it is the key to counting them. Every count on this page started with a machine reading every released file, and every match was then read by a person; every conclusion was left to you. The full list of cases named in the episode, and what the files hold for each, is on our tracker [4].